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No ‘honest citizens’ represented by pro-choice candidates?

Brazil’s Archbishop Emeritus Jose Cardoso Sobrinho — best known for his efforts to prevent a raped nine-year-old pregnant with her stepfather’s twins from receiving an abortion and his immediate public declaration of the excommunication of her mother and others involved in the abortion — proclaimed last week that pro-abortion candidates “cannot represent honest citizens.”

That’s a long public step beyond the private denial of communion to pro-choice Catholic political figures in this country — a practice Randall Terry would like to see in widespread use.

Agree or disagree, it is nonetheless an honest expression of the doctrine which underlay the conflict over the nine-year-old Brazilian girl’s abortion.

Catholic figures have since protested that there was no medical necessity involved. But it is not clear that for Catholic clergy the debate was fundamentally over medical necessity, as senior Vatican official was quoted as saying at the time:

“We have laws, we have a discipline, we have a doctrine of the faith,” the official says. “This is not just theory. And you can’t start backpedaling just because the real-life situation carries a certain human weight.”

Remember that the Vatican’s top bioethics official, Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who argued in the Vatican newspaper that human and theological “mercy” should have been applied to those involved in the abortion, saw his view rejected in a “clarification.”

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December 16, 2009 - Posted by | Politics | , , , , ,

8 Comments

  1. What God has put together, no human should tear asunder. There was a reason for a 9 year old girl to be pregnant. You don’t know and I don’t know what that reason was. It was God’s reason. Maybe her death in childbirth would have made her stepfather stop raping 9 year old girls, maybe it would have saved his soul. The rape and insemination of this girl is a travesty, no doubt. But it happened for a reason.
    The mother and those who pushed the girl to have two abortions excommunicated themselves-the archbishop only recognized that they were excommunicated. He’s right, though. He is saying that they’re incapable of representing honest citizens. Regarding denial of communion to active pro-abort politicians, it used to be that people knew when they were in mortal sin, and knew that they should not be receiving communion. Now, most people really don’t know that being out of whack with the Catholic Church means you’re not in communion (communion means community, as in I believe all the Church believes and teaches, and I try to obey all the church believes and teaches), and shouldn’t be receiving. They don’t need a bishop to tell them, they should just do an examination of conscience, which would tell them the same thing-don’t receive.

    Comment by David | December 16, 2009

    • B-b-but there was also a reason the mother pushed the girl to have two abortions, it was God’s reason. He was trying to make a point. He wanted me – yes me, personally – to to understand the full depravity of the Catholic Church so I could help lead others away from its toxic doctrine. He wants me to help decimate the lunacy of communing with an institution with followers who believe God wanted a 9 year old to be raped and impregnated.

      It all makes perfect sense.

      Comment by James | December 16, 2009

  2. Bbbbbut James, murder is wrong in every case. Pushing someone to commit murder makes you as guilty as the murderer. Regardless of what religion you might profess. Murder is never right.

    Comment by David | December 16, 2009

    • Murder? Since when? Oh, you mean since 1869. I guess god needs a history lesson.

      Comment by James | December 17, 2009

    • Oh, you think men don’t make mistakes, and that science doesn’t develop? People didn’t even know they were pregnant, for sure, until the first trimester was nearly over. Science has shown us when life begins, and we also know that the soul enters the body at its conception. Even medical education doesn’t fight about whether a fetus is alive or not. IT shows, overwhelmingly, that it is.

      But that’s ok, you will find out when you meet your maker…

      Comment by David | December 17, 2009

    • By the way, James, this is from the Didache, the teachings of the apostles, from about 80 AD:

      2:2{Thou shalt do no murder, thou shalt not commit adultery,} thou shalt not corrupt boys, thou shalt not commit fornication, {thou shalt not steal,} thou shalt not deal in magic, thou shalt do no sorcery, thou shalt not murder a child by abortion nor kill them when born, {thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods, thou shalt not perjure thyself, thou shalt not bear false witness,} thou shalt not speak evil, thou shalt not cherish a grudge, thou shalt not be double-minded nor double-tongued;

      Comment by David | December 18, 2009

    • Got it. Men make mistakes. I agree. Which is why your certainty of knowing the mind of god on such matters is absurd on its face.

      When you can get me a direct line to the big guy upstairs, unmediated by whatever your church or Bible has to say on the issue, then I’ll consider the merits of your view. Until then, my opinion about what god says and your opinion about what god says are equally irrelevant.

      Comment by James | December 18, 2009

  3. Yep, men make mistakes. But God guides certain men, obviously not you, and not me either. The apostles were some of those men. So what they wrote and said, and what those to whom their authority passed on, when it comes to matters of faith and morals, is authoritative. I’m not imploring you in any way to believe me, but I think it might be a good idea to believe those who followed Jesus, who was and is God.

    Comment by David | December 18, 2009


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